He tells Red Bull TV: "When people try and strategize on how to build a fan base, the first thing they go to is trying to write that perfect song and hoping it comes out of the gun and takes off.

"We were never able to do that - I don't think we tried to do that, it wasn't the goal. As much as a single or some song exploding is very effective, a lot of people don't take into consideration taking advantage of every moment you're on stage in front of people.