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Somehow the Darwin theory has missed the music industry. Survival of the fittest just doesn't seem to apply to the record industry; because talent does not always equal success. What the Hell is here to explore some questionable "Artists" and why they have become popular, let alone got a record deal in the first place. Don't worry if you disagree you will have the opportunity to plead your case for these "Artists". What the Hell is also a place where antiGUY sounds off on entertainment topics that are pissing him off at the moment.

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No More Patience For Axl? 

I'm gonna shock a lot of people here and stick up for Axl Rose.

Axl Rose faces a big challenge. He is basically screwed because short of reuniting with the original Guns N' Roses line-up, anything he does at this point won't be good enough for some people.  

In 1988 Axl sang about "Patience" and that's what diehard fans have relied on for the past decade as he has worked to complete "Chinese Democracy".  With the build up to this release, Axl is caught between a rock and hard place. It could end up being the best album since "Sgt. Pepper's" and it still won't measure up in some people's eyes.  

I ran into an old friend the other night that happens to also be a diehard GNR fan and we had an interesting discussion.  Keep in mind that this guy is about as big a fan as you are going to find and his take on the current state of GNR is that it isn't GNR without at least Slash's involvement.  I've heard this sentiment from a lot of people over the years. 

So Axl has that hurdle to overcome. 

Another big sticking point is something that I actually really respect about Axl but some people see as a liability, and that is the fact that Axl appears to want to really evolve from one album to the next. He doesn't want to do the same thing twice and this coupled with wanting to top yourself has to be a real burden.  When you come out of the gate with an album like "Appetite For Destruction" how in the hell are you going to top that?  Add to that the additional pressure of having to put out an album that some people are automatically going to want to hate because the band is missing some original members and you have a big challenge to overcome.  

This is a real dilemma for artists that seek to change up their sound from one album to the next. It's hard to pull off because people became fans based on one sound and not everybody will be receptive to a different direction (see Metallica as a big example of this).  Add to that the excruciating wait for the new material and you have a recipe for automatic discontent.  

Expectations are a very real part of the music business. A band can have a really successful album but if it doesn't do as well as expected or doesn't sell as much as the previous monster hit, then people consider it a failure.  "Chinese Democracy" will probably suffer that fate. The delay coupled with having to measure up to or beat GNR's past performance has put this album at a real disadvantage even before the public has heard a note. 

In a lot of ways, Axl and Guns N' Rose mirror the story of Boston. Axl is playing the part of Tom Scholz, a studio wizard who was known to be rabid perfectionist.  One example of this is the story that Scholz recorded literally hundreds of hours of drums to get one track right. Sound familiar?  

Scholz was known for his studio wizardry but also as a gifted songwriter. Boston released their self-titled debut album in 1976 and it became a monster hit, the biggest selling debut album of all time. (Guess who broke that record?). The album sold 8 million copies in the US. So the pressure was really on to produce a spectacular follow-up. Scholz being a perfectionist, didn't want to rush things. The record company finally pressured him to produce a second album and it was released two years after the group's record breaking debut and sold half as many copies. Scholz reportedly attributed this lack of sales to having only really produced "half an album".  But 4 million copies is a huge success by any measure, however it still didn't live up to the predecessor, so some considered it a failure.  

Scholz wasn't going to let that happen to him again, so for the third album he was going to do it on his own terms and not give in to label pressure.  As it a result it took 8 years for Boston to release their third album.  It too became a big hit, with sales comparable to the second album, but fell short of topping the success of the debut.  Scholz was still vindicated in a way and when it took almost eight years for the next Boston album, people were not very surprised.  

Unfortunately, that fourth album was a big flop. Scholz was the only remaining original member of the group and by the time the album surfaced the industry as a whole had pretty much forgotten about Boston and moved on to other things. 

Axl is at the point where "Chinese Democracy" will most likely follow Boston's third album experience. With the buildup and expectations from the past decade it will most likely have immediate success. Partly from curiosity and wanting to hear what took so long and also from the segment of diehard fans that would buy a CD if it just contained Axl singing nursery rhymes.  

But will it measure up to GNR's past?  That is the big question. You have some people that want it to fail and still others that expect it to blow people away.  We will have to wait and see which side will prevail when the album is finally released.  But as much as I, as a GNR fan, want to hear the damn thing already, I really can't fault Axl for wanting to make sure everything is perfect. A lot of things are riding on this album and he will have a huge hill to climb to meet (or beat) expectations. I know I wouldn't want to be under that kind of pressure. So, I say we need just a little more patience... but that patience is running short.  

[Postscript.  I actually have a bit more to say about Axl, especially public perceptions of the man and how different that is from what some people that know him have to say. So, I might return to this subject again. Especially if the damn album doesn't come out soon. Real ranting will return next time.]
 
 

Your turn. 


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What do you think ?:

Fan Speak:


Posted by Bodhi:
By the way...Weiland needs to stay with the harsh manly voice from the Core album instead of Shrang li la dee da...It's still good, but I think it would sit in perfectly with VR...(GnR reunion in 2023!)


Posted by Bodhi:
I'm still waiting. Music is a gift that needs to come out itself and not forced. So I'll wait. But if it doesn't see the light of day especially with all the time and hard work put into it...He'd be an idiot...


Posted by hikingartist:
Axls unforgiveable sin is consistently standing up the crowds at his live shows. There are a million bands out here; why would I follow someone who stiffs even his ardent followers? And to lead the world on with "Chinese" is just as bad; it may have some historical perspective, but I seriously doubt it is going to rock as hard as Deftones or Himsa.


Posted by Killer Wolf:
I would say that Axl Rose is more like Elton John than Tom Scholz. I think he could put out one heck of a solo album and just tour on his name alone. He just seems to want to carry the GnR banner instead of just giving the whole thing up and moving on with a solo career. I'd go see him solo before I'd ever go see a reincarnation of GnR.


Posted by NAZARETH:
Im gonna buy this album no matter what... Truth is Velvet Revolver didnt quite make it for me i enjoyed it but it didnt make me go "HOLY CRAP". Not taking anything from them of course. Truth is hearing VR made me more interested in hearing The New GnR Album, people claim Slash is GNR some say Axl is, I say both are. But truth is, VR is what GnR would sound if Axl left and not the other members... Axl is unique in his voice and lyrical stand point, thats one key thing about GNR AXLS VOICE! You can get some dude to pull off a Slash sound but there is always going to be ONE AXL!


Posted by Weiland:
Isn't Velvet Revolver the new Guns & Roses album?


Posted by derek:
I like to think that when Velvet Revolver came out with some more or less sincere rock music, that Axl Rose cried himself to sleep and burned all his experimental recordings for Chinese Democracy the next day.


Posted by gong0:
i think http://www.newgnr.com yeahh


Posted by No Name:
Man, you would think people actually believe they're getting involved in a personal relationship with a band when they buy a cd. "Oh, they haven't called (put out a cd) in 10 yrs...boo hoo. I feel so used!! They're getting the silent treatment from me. That will show them."


Posted by BUTCH:
bill bailey has AIDS.


Posted by Me:
One thing AXL has going for him is that I'm pretty sure he doesn't give a sh*t about the fans or what they think, which is a good thing. His actions in the past, such as as walking off stage and the like, give the previous statemnt pretty good merit. The music is going to be about the music, and any emotions factored in by the public is exactly what is killing the entertainment business today.


Posted by The Bean:
I dunno, its been a long time to wait but i don't think fans should be too dissapointed if the release doesn't meet their expectations - they're probably just far too high. Anyone who creates magic of the likes of November Rain is beyond reproach - forever!


Posted by Axl Rose's Kitty Cat:
I think this band should now be called Hired Guns, because my owner has indeed hired some.


Posted by Chinese Democracy:
I will never be released! I will never sell good! I am not a Guns N' Roses album! I am an Axl Rose solo project! My goddamn guitarist wears a goddamn bucket on his goddamn head, goddamn it! I am a traveling freak show with Axl leading it! Oh, God! Holy jumping Jesus Christ!


Posted by lisa:
AXL is a great singer. That's what he is, and he does it well. The rest of what he does, did, I don't give a sh*t about. His voice kicks ass.


Posted by Out in the Cold:
While you make a few valid points, the main problem with Axl Rose, is that he seemingly has no regard for the "die hard fans" or anybody for that fact. He carries on like his sh*t don't stink, like he can do as he pleases and everybody else can go screw themselves. There is no way he can even come close to matching the success of Appetite for Destruction, and nobody in thier right mind could possibly expect that, not even Axl himself. So, I say, just do something, anything before we forget who in the hell you are!


Posted by BK:
First off,I'm not a GNR fan. Second,I think Axl is an arrogant jerk. That said, I do respect his decisions of wanting to evolve. I think it's good for bands to evolve over time as long as they don't completely change for the worse. For example,if Chinese Democracy turns out to be a country album,that may be pushing it a little bit. I know that's not going to happen,I'm just saying. Plus I don't think we have to worry about the Boston syndrome with Guns N' Roses. Here it is at least ten years since the release of their last album and we're still discussing them. Axl won't let anyone forget them. Will I listen to Chinese Democracy when(or if)it finally comes out. Probably. After ten years of hype,I'd like to hear what it sounds like. I heard their contribution to the End Of Days soundtrack and while I didn't really like it,it still peaked my interest. Guns N' Roses,like them or not,is one of those bands you just have to listen to. As I said earlier,I'm not a fan but Axl just has a way of drawing people in.


Posted by BlackZeppelin:
Your article reminds me of Black Sabbath and Tony Iommi. As long as Tony iommi was the only original member of Sabbath, every sabbath album would be doomed to live in the shadow of the 70s albums. Its really hard to listen to these albums and say "This is Black Sabbath". What's easier is to take these albums on a cd by cd basis and try not to compare them to Paranoid or the debut. For me, i found it easier to just say that the later Sabbath albums are just that - later Sabbath albums. They are not Paranoid. I will probobaly do the same for Chinese Democracy and enjoy it more than say that its an attempt to surprass Appetite for Destruction.


Posted by GREENMUSE:
i feel that despite its quality its going to be described as"over a decade for THIS?!?!".the idea of the album is better than it ever will be.plus being the only original member of the band will only make it suck more.solo projects are never as good as the real thing.look at anything post clash done by strummer and jones.though both are decent in their own right,they are only legendary in their natural enviroment.


Posted by r3:
F AXL!




 


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